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Re: Effe Apeldoorn bellen

Bericht door Knisten » 24 jan 2017 03:56

Tja, je zal maar net een inch of zo tekort komen :lol:
Maar je blijft je verwonderen :roll:

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Re: Effe Apeldoorn bellen

Bericht door Harry G. Hogeboom » 24 jan 2017 04:32

Maar dit is een groot bedrijf in de hijs en transport industrie
Is er feitelijk verder iets bekend betreffende dat " brug deel INhijsen screw-up affair ergens in Zuid-Holland een jaar of zo terug"....waar die 2 kranen op een pontonnetje omsodemieterden en OP de huizen naast de brug vielen. :roll:
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Re: Effe Apeldoorn bellen

Bericht door forte » 24 jan 2017 08:28

Ja dat onderzoek is afgesloten, hier kan je er meer over lezen :

https://www.onderzoeksraad.nl/nl/onderz ... rmijdelijk



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Re: Effe Apeldoorn bellen

Bericht door jdbvos » 24 jan 2017 09:51

...ik zal wel gek zijn...maar als ik die foto zo bekijk denk ik dat die mobiele kraan (zie de rupsband) op eoa transportmiddel staat, en dat stukkie hoekstaal (?) dat maar met een paar bouten op hout geschroefd lijkt te zijn, alleen maar tot doel heeft te voorkomen dat die sluiting te-heen-en-te-weer slingert....
Maar wie ben ik...
Heb je de rest van die detailfoto ook ?
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Re: Effe Apeldoorn bellen

Bericht door Erikdepooter » 24 jan 2017 15:10

door OLAU-fan » za 31 dec 2016 20:20
De Telegraaf schreef zojuist:
Geramde stuw bij Grave nu niet te repareren
Nog even daarop terug komend: Als waterschapper bij Rivierenland ben ik hier zijdelings bij betrokken. De laatste info uit het crisisforum:
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Maar dan nu de link met het topic ("FF Apeldoorn bellen").
Aan het wat hectische begin van deze calamiteit kregen wij als waterschap een telefoontje vanuit Rijkswaterstaat:
"Willen jullie je sluis bij Heumen dicht zetten?".
". . . maarre, die sluis is helemaal niet van ons waterschap, het is jullie eigen sluis . . . "

Oftewel, de inhoudelijke kennis bij RWS is niet meer wat ie ooit geweest is! :twisted: :!:
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Re: Effe Apeldoorn bellen

Bericht door gerard tenerife » 24 jan 2017 22:52

jdbvos schreef:
Heb je de rest van die detailfoto ook ?
Nee Jan die heb ik niet, deze foto was gebruikt in een konversatie tussen een Nederlandse Sluiting Fabriek (niet de fabrikant van de sluiting in kwestie, lijkt me USA Crosby) en een vertegenwoordiger van een Hijs en transport bedrijf.
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Re: Effe Apeldoorn bellen

Bericht door Jos Komen » 26 jan 2017 13:49

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Hij die nooit gevaren heeft
Weet niet hoe een zeeman leeft.


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Re: Effe Apeldoorn bellen

Bericht door Harry G. Hogeboom » 26 jan 2017 23:55

Waarschijnlijk was het batterijtje van de GPS net leeg :lol:
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Re: Effe Apeldoorn bellen

Bericht door jdbvos » 27 jan 2017 11:58

allemaal overnaadse planken, en merck toch hoe sterck zo'n houten rompje is....
Mooi stukkie scheepsbouw...
Ze konden wel wat, onze arme ongeletterde en primitieve verre voorouders...zie hoe ze dat achterschip bijvoorbeeld ontwierpen..!
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Vraag me af of wij met al onze moderne technieken nog steeds zoiets kunnen ontwerpen en bouwen met gereedschappen en materialen uit die tijd...
Mooi rompje !

Anderzijds: een mooi plaatje dat er eigenlijk niets nieuws onder de zon is.... Zie het rampentoerisme ! Complete picknick's bij een ander's ongeluk...
Overduidelijk hadden ze destijds geen van-ingebouwde-camera's-voorziene mobieltjes :mrgreen:
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Re: Effe Apeldoorn bellen

Bericht door Lemans » 27 jan 2017 14:01

nou meneer Vos,
ik denk dat er niet veel meer zijn die dat kunnen echter op de website wooden boat http://www.woodenboat.com/sites/default ... 254toc.pdf

staan er voldoende die het nog wel doen. ik heb een abonnement op dit blad en mag me elke 8 weken verlekkeren aan de verhalen, werkwijzen en rapportage's. of iets dergelijks in nederland of europa gebeurt heb ik nog niet uitgezocht.
mvg A

zie ook onderstaande foto's
https://www.google.nl/search?q=wooden+b ... 0&bih=1009

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Re: Effe Apeldoorn bellen

Bericht door Harry G. Hogeboom » 27 jan 2017 15:13

nog steeds zoiets kunnen ontwerpen en bouwen
Kom maar langs met je tekeningen Jan EN een dikke zak met geld en dan regel ik dat zo even voor je!! :lol:
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Re: Effe Apeldoorn bellen

Bericht door v+d » 27 jan 2017 17:11

In Heeg zijn nog wel kunstenmakers die mooie houten scheepjes kunnen bouwen of/en restaureren. Gewoon in Friesland dus.
In Portugal onder andere in Quarteira kunnen ze dat ook nog wel, ergens heb ik daar al eens een foto van geplaatst.

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Re: Effe Apeldoorn bellen

Bericht door jdbvos » 27 jan 2017 20:06

Die Wooden Boat kende ik al...waarschijnlijk heb je die link hier al eens vaker geplaatst...
Inderdaad: hele mooie boten, en gezien hun lengtes en daarmee gepaard gaande grote krommingen, eveneens moeilijk te bouwen
Dus ja: ook daar even het petje voor lichten....

In Bucky (Schotland) heb ik een tijdje staan kijken en een praatje gemaakt met visserschepenbouwers. Schitterend !

Maar beroepsschepen, bedoel ik...Zo'n grote sleepboot overnaads zie je niet vaak...en met het destijdse gereedschap/materiaal...

...en wat dachten jullie hiervan: (even de eigenschappen opvragen van de foto [na downloaden] tabblad 'details' en bij opmerkingen even klikken voor het verhaal)
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Re: Effe Apeldoorn bellen

Bericht door jacko » 04 mar 2017 13:39

Geen hiewlijntje nodig :-D :-D
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Voor elke oplossing.
Is wel een probleem te bedenken.

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Re: Effe Apeldoorn bellen

Bericht door jdbvos » 04 mar 2017 14:21

Ik heb een dergelijk voorval ooit in Antwerpen mogen aanschouwen....het verhaal staat hier wel erregunz op de site.....
Met de meest flegmatieke (Engelse) stuurman ooit, die via z'n praaiijzer (aka lulblok/portofoon) de afstand tot de kade naar achteren doorgaf :"....10 meter........5 meter...2..zero!..minus 1..minus 2.....minus 3......"
:lol: :lol: :lol:
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Re: Effe Apeldoorn bellen

Bericht door jdbvos » 04 mar 2017 21:32

Op StS een reminder aan de Explorer....
ff een arctic cruisje maken.....
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MS Explorer was a Liberian-registered cruise ship designed for Arctic and Antarctic service, originally commissioned and operated by the Swedish explorer Lars-Eric Lindblad. Observers point to Explorer's 1969 expeditionary cruise to Antarctica as the forerunner for today's sea-based tourism in that region.

The vessel was originally named MS Lindblad Explorer (until 1985), and MS Society Explorer until 1992. Ownership of the vessel changed several times, the last owner being the Toronto-based travel company G.A.P Adventures which acquired Explorer in 2004.
 
Explorer was the first cruise ship used specifically to sail the icy waters of the Antarctic Ocean, and the first to sink there when she struck an unidentified submerged object (USO) on 23 November 2007, reported to be ice, which caused a 10 by 4 inches (25 by 10 cm) gash in the hull. Explorer was abandoned in the early hours of 23 November 2007 after taking on water near the South Shetland Islands in the Southern Ocean, an area which is usually stormy but was calm at the time.

Explorer was confirmed by the Chilean Navy to have sunk at approximate position 62° 24′ South, 57° 16′ West, between South Shetlands and Grahams Land, in the Bransfield Strait, where the depth is roughly 600 m. The Royal Navy Antarctic Patrol Ship Endurance, at the request of the Foreign and Commonwealth Office whilst carrying out a hydrographic survey for the British Antarctic Survey, later pinpointed Explorer's final resting place as 62° 24′ 17.57″ South, 57° 11′ 46.49″ West at an approximate depth of 1,130 m, a distance of 4,373 m from its reported sinking position. This is broadly consistent with the direction of the prevailing current.

History

Explorer was commissioned by Lars-Eric Lindblad, the Swedish-American pioneer of exotic expedition tours, and built in 1969 at Uudenkaupungin Telakka shipyard in Uusikaupunki, Finland. The ship was built to stay afloat with two compartments filled with water. Her original Finnish-Swedish ice class was 1C, which is relatively weak. It is not known when the ice class was uprated to 1A.

The vessel was originally named Lindblad Explorer after Lars-Eric Lindblad and was the first custom built expeditionary cruise ship. On 11 February 1972 Explorer ran aground near La Plaza Point, Antarctica; her passengers, Lars-Eric Lindblad among them, were rescued by the Chilean Navy. She was towed to Buenos Aires, Argentina and then to Kristiansand, Norway, for repairs.

On 25 December 1979 Lindblad Explorer ran aground off Wiencke Island in the Antarctic. The 70 passengers and 34 of the crew were rescued by the Chilean Navy icebreaker Piloto Pardo, leaving the captain and a skeleton crew of 21 on board to await the arrival of a tug.

In 1984, Explorer was the first cruise ship to navigate the Northwest Passage. In 1989 she was involved in the rescue of the crew of an Argentine supply ship that had hit a rock ledge off Anvers Island, Antarctica.

In 1998, Explorer was the first ship to circumnavigate James Ross Island; and the same year, she is claimed to have been the first ship, as distinct from river boat, to sail 80 miles (130 km) above Iquitos, Peru, to the point where the Marañón and Ucayali rivers meet to become the Amazon River.

Explorer was depicted on at least two postage stamps issued by South Georgia and one issued by the Falkland Islands. Explorer was nicknamed the Little Red Ship.

Sinking

Explorer departed from Ushuaia, Argentina on 11 November 2007 on a 19-day cruise intended to trace the route of 20th century explorer Ernest Shackleton through the Drake Passage (an area typically stormy with rough seas). After visiting the Falkland Islands and South Georgia she hit an iceberg in the Bransfield Strait close to King George Island in the Southern Ocean, near the South Shetland Islands, on 23 November 2007. The object struck by Explorer made a reported 10-by-4-inch (25 by 10 cm) gash in the hull which allowed water to enter. The Argentine navy later said in a statement it observed "significant" damage.

Passengers on Explorer reported a loud "bang" at the time of impact, although others reported that there had been no noticeable impact, or at least nothing more than the normal crunching of ice experienced when sailing through icy waters.

One passenger reported sea water in their cabin at about 03:00 UTC. Some reports also indicate that the ship drifted into an iceberg on Explorer's starboard side while the crew was assessing damage caused by the original impact, also to the starboard side of the ship.

A mayday call was put out by the ship at 04:24 UTC, and rescue operations were quickly coordinated by the Prefectura Naval (Coast Guard Corps) of Argentina and the Chilean Navy Center for Search and Rescue. Chile dispatched the icebreaker Almirante Viel, and nearby commercial ships including the MN Ushuaia, the National Geographic Endeavor, and the Norwegian Coastal Express ship MS Nordnorge which was operating as a passenger cruise ship at the time. By 07:30 UTC, all 91 passengers, 9 guides and 54 crew, from over 14 countries, were evacuated and had taken to the Explorer's lifeboats. The evacuees drifted for 5 hours until they were picked up by the Norwegian ship MS Nordnorge which arrived on scene at approximately 10:00 UTC.

All of those rescued by Nordnorge were taken to the Chilean Frei Montalva Station on King George Island where they were subsequently airlifted by C-130 Hercules transport aircraft of the Chilean Air Force to Punta Arenas, Chile in two separate flights, one on Saturday 24 November and the other on Sunday 25 November. Those passengers not taken to Punta Arenas (an estimated 70) were taken to Uruguay's Artigas Base. Explorer was completely submerged at 19:00 UTC, approximately 20 hours after the initial impact and damage to her hull.

Explorer was designed, like most ships, with compartments which could be sealed off by watertight doors; the ship would not sink if holed and one compartment flooded, but was not safe if more compartments were flooded, either by a gash spanning compartments or imperfect sealing between compartments. GAP reported that there was a crack in addition to the hole, but it is not clear if it spanned compartments.

In an article published on 8 December 2007, experts consider that Explorer was "perfect for ice navigation", and consider that the explanation of the sinking "doesn't add up" and that "essential pieces of the story are missing".

Company statements

On the morning of Friday 23 November 2007, G.A.P.

Adventures issued the following statement:

GAP Adventures, owners of the expedition ship, M/S Explorer, have confirmed that all 100 passengers and crew who were on board M/S Explorer when it hit ice in the Bransfield Strait off King George Island, Antarctica, earlier today are safe and uninjured.

Standard procedures were followed by the crew with passengers calmly evacuated to the ship's life rafts and then transferred to the Nordnorge, which was in the area.

The M/S Explorer's crew are also now on the Nordnorge.

On board M/S Explorer were two Argentines, 10 Australians, two Belgians, 24 British nationals, 12 Canadians, one Chinese national, three Danes, 17 Dutch, one French, one German, two from Hong Kong, four Irish, one Japanese, four Swiss, 14 Americans, one Colombian and one Swede.

The families of those passengers are now being telephoned by GAP Adventures to advise them of the safety of their loved ones.

At 10:00 EST, Saturday 24 November 2007, G.A.P. Adventures issued the following updated statement:

All passengers and crew, including the captain of M/S Explorer, are completely safe, uninjured and in good spirits. The passengers spent the night at King George Island in Antarctica.

There are plans for passengers to board flights today and tomorrow to Punta Arenas, Chile. Accommodations have been arranged in Punta Arenas and flights home from there are currently being scheduled.

The passengers include 2 Argentines, 10 Australians, 2 Belgians, 24 British nationals, 12 Canadians, 1 Chinese national, 3 Danes, 17 Dutch, 1 French, 1 German, 2 from Hong Kong, 4 Irish, 1 Japanese, 4 Swiss, 14 Americans, 1 Colombian and 1 Swede. The captain of the ship is Swedish and the majority of the crew are understood to be from the Philippines. The crew on board M/S Explorer consist of 45 Filipinos, 4 Swedes, 2 Bulgarians, 2 New Zealanders, and 1 Pole.

We can now confirm that at 19:00 GMT, Friday, 23 November, M/S Explorer sank.

Investigation

The investigation into the sinking of Explorer was carried out by the Liberian Bureau of Maritime Affairs. The report into the accident was released in April 2009.

The report cites the decision by the Master of the vessel to enter the ice field based on his knowledge and information available at the time as the primary reason why Explorer suffered the casualty. "He was under the mistaken impression that he was encountering first year ice when in fact, as the Chilean Navy Report indicated, was much harder land ice."

Passengers reported seeing red paint on the passing ice less than thirty minutes prior to when the flooding was reported, another indication that the vessel was passing through compact and hard ice. The Master of Explorer was very experienced in Baltic waters but he was unfamiliar with the type of ice he encountered in Antarctic waters.

The report praises the performance of the master and crew in organizing and evacuating the passengers, and notes that lives were likely saved due to the actions of these individuals.
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