Griekenland
Re: Griekenland
Theo, ik ben benieuwd hoe de Grieken zelf het betoog en de manier waarop van verhofstadt vonden.
Dat komt omdat ik zelf in 1978 toch nog verbaasd was over de reacties hier toen president Carter op bezoek kwam en tegen de toenmalige militaire regering tekeer ging. Hij zei niets wat men hier ook niet zei, maar de bevolking was super verontwaardigd: 'waar bemoeide die buitenlander zich mee en wat dacht hij wel?'
Het gedrag van Carter werkte dus averechts. Ik kan me goed voorstellen dat voor de Grieken de manier van doen van verhofstadt ook op grote weerstand stuit ook al gaat het er in het eigen parlement heet aan toe.
Dat komt omdat ik zelf in 1978 toch nog verbaasd was over de reacties hier toen president Carter op bezoek kwam en tegen de toenmalige militaire regering tekeer ging. Hij zei niets wat men hier ook niet zei, maar de bevolking was super verontwaardigd: 'waar bemoeide die buitenlander zich mee en wat dacht hij wel?'
Het gedrag van Carter werkte dus averechts. Ik kan me goed voorstellen dat voor de Grieken de manier van doen van verhofstadt ook op grote weerstand stuit ook al gaat het er in het eigen parlement heet aan toe.
Re: Griekenland
De middelvinger opsteken door sommige politici getuigt dat van normbesef?
De wind en de golven zijn altijd op de hand van de beste zeelui.
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Harry G. Hogeboom
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Re: Griekenland
Dorsen "ze" daar ook met " vlegels" Gerard??maar dan ik woon in Spanje laat de boeren maar dorsen
MVG HGH.
"Don't sweat the small stuff"
"Don't sweat the small stuff"
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gerard tenerife
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Re: Griekenland
Jazeker Harry, maar dan heten ze Mayal Trilla denk ik 
God mag weten hoe ze in Griekenland heten
Gerard
God mag weten hoe ze in Griekenland heten Gerard
een pessimist is een optimist met veel ervaring.
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Mart Hoogedoorn
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Re: Griekenland
Bravo Cor Cenaprints, daar sla je de spijker op zijn kop.Het is van mijn kant ook het medeleven(en verbazing) dat ik de euvele moed heb mijn mening te verkondigen, niet alleen hier maar ook op andere sites.Ik als zwerver zonder echt dik betaalde premies en zonder een wiskundige knobbel,heb me een ''vast en vrij'' bestaan bemachtigd,in een voor mij prachtig zuidamerikaans land.Dit door te varen op de woelige baren op meestal door amerikanen gerunde schepen,die mijn technische kwaliteiten rijkelijk beloonden met taxvrije dollars
Nu als ouwe pensionado(wat is oud? de duivel is oud)bekijk ik de wereld onder het genot van mijn schootaan 12oo
Presidentje.
Nu als ouwe pensionado(wat is oud? de duivel is oud)bekijk ik de wereld onder het genot van mijn schootaan 12oo
Presidentje.
''Recht zo ie gaat''Mart.....Een beetje zigzaggen mag ook
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Cor Leliard
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Mart Hoogedoorn
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Re: Griekenland
laat maar zakken Corke,aget het zakkie mar goed gewassen hebt
Gaat zo meuren in het brabantse.
Gaat zo meuren in het brabantse.
''Recht zo ie gaat''Mart.....Een beetje zigzaggen mag ook
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gerard tenerife
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Re: Griekenland
Greece's full exit from the euro and issuing of a new currency would happen in 7 chaotic steps
Business Insider UK
Greece's euro membership is dangling by a thread.
According to finance ministers in the rest of Europe, the Greek government has just a few days left to preserve its place in the currency union. Based on how talks have gone so far, the chances of a sudden deal don't look too positive.
But how would it actually happen?
There aren't many modern examples of a country leaving a currency union. Some people use comparisons to Argentina, which has seen massive devaluations in recent decades — but that was a huge reduction in the value of the same currency, not an entirely new one.
Here are 7 steps that could take us from where we are now to a full Grexit.
1. The money effectively runs out: Greek banks are running on fumes currently, with capital controls preventing any more than €60 being withdrawn from ATM machines. The government also has a major payment to the European Central Bank to make on July 20, so the money many run out on two fronts — in cash machines and with the government.
2. A shadow currency: A sort of scrip (let's call them Greek coupons) would likely be released as part-payment for government wages and pensions. Instead of real money, the parallel currency would be issued at a rate of one Greek coupon to one euro. So shop owners would be legally bound to accept three Greek coupons instead of three euros for a sandwich, for example.
3. A black market: But despite the government's insistence, it's hard to imagine that holding for very long. In the event of Grexit, the Greek coupons would be replaced with the far less valuable drachma, and so people would want actual euros, not coupons. As a result, you'd have the 1:1 official conversion rate between euros and coupons, and a much higher coupon:euro rate in quickly-emerging black markets.
4. Normalisation as a currency: To get Greece over the immediate hump of its upcoming debt repayments, the parallel currency would be useful. But if banks remain closed, many people could come t rely on the Greek coupons, rather than or equally as much as euros. People would want to pay taxes in the parallel currency too, if it's their main source of income.
5. Official move away from the euro: Converting deposits in Greece banks into some new currency (let's call it the Drachma) would be resisted by savers, but if the European Central Bank (ECB) won't provide emergency liquidity assistance, there seems to be little other way in which the institutions can re-open. It's likely the coupon money would basically end up as the forerunner of the new drachma.
6. A massive devaluation: It's widely accepted that the euro is considerably too strong for Greece's economy. Any departure from it would mean an immediate and potentially large depreciation of the new currency.
7. Default: With a new currency now issued and far less valuable than the euro, default would be widespread on any euro-denominated debts. For example, if you're paid in drachma and have debts taken out in euros owed to banks in the rest of Europe, you'll suddenly struggle to make payments you once found relatively easy.
After that, opinion is split.
Some think with a financial system which has been effectively destroyed, and a further deep recession, Greece wouldn't be able to recover rapidly. Others think that the country would be able to thrive outside of the euro's straitjacket.
There's a good chance that we'll now find out who's right.
Business Insider UK
Greece's euro membership is dangling by a thread.
According to finance ministers in the rest of Europe, the Greek government has just a few days left to preserve its place in the currency union. Based on how talks have gone so far, the chances of a sudden deal don't look too positive.
But how would it actually happen?
There aren't many modern examples of a country leaving a currency union. Some people use comparisons to Argentina, which has seen massive devaluations in recent decades — but that was a huge reduction in the value of the same currency, not an entirely new one.
Here are 7 steps that could take us from where we are now to a full Grexit.
1. The money effectively runs out: Greek banks are running on fumes currently, with capital controls preventing any more than €60 being withdrawn from ATM machines. The government also has a major payment to the European Central Bank to make on July 20, so the money many run out on two fronts — in cash machines and with the government.
2. A shadow currency: A sort of scrip (let's call them Greek coupons) would likely be released as part-payment for government wages and pensions. Instead of real money, the parallel currency would be issued at a rate of one Greek coupon to one euro. So shop owners would be legally bound to accept three Greek coupons instead of three euros for a sandwich, for example.
3. A black market: But despite the government's insistence, it's hard to imagine that holding for very long. In the event of Grexit, the Greek coupons would be replaced with the far less valuable drachma, and so people would want actual euros, not coupons. As a result, you'd have the 1:1 official conversion rate between euros and coupons, and a much higher coupon:euro rate in quickly-emerging black markets.
4. Normalisation as a currency: To get Greece over the immediate hump of its upcoming debt repayments, the parallel currency would be useful. But if banks remain closed, many people could come t rely on the Greek coupons, rather than or equally as much as euros. People would want to pay taxes in the parallel currency too, if it's their main source of income.
5. Official move away from the euro: Converting deposits in Greece banks into some new currency (let's call it the Drachma) would be resisted by savers, but if the European Central Bank (ECB) won't provide emergency liquidity assistance, there seems to be little other way in which the institutions can re-open. It's likely the coupon money would basically end up as the forerunner of the new drachma.
6. A massive devaluation: It's widely accepted that the euro is considerably too strong for Greece's economy. Any departure from it would mean an immediate and potentially large depreciation of the new currency.
7. Default: With a new currency now issued and far less valuable than the euro, default would be widespread on any euro-denominated debts. For example, if you're paid in drachma and have debts taken out in euros owed to banks in the rest of Europe, you'll suddenly struggle to make payments you once found relatively easy.
After that, opinion is split.
Some think with a financial system which has been effectively destroyed, and a further deep recession, Greece wouldn't be able to recover rapidly. Others think that the country would be able to thrive outside of the euro's straitjacket.
There's a good chance that we'll now find out who's right.
een pessimist is een optimist met veel ervaring.
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gerard tenerife
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Re: Griekenland
Greece debt crisis: EC chief Donald Tusk adds to US pressure on Germany to scrap Greek debt
The Independent
European Council President Donald Tusk added to US pressure to offer debt relief to Greece on Thursday.
"The realistic proposal from Greece will have to be matched by an equally realistic proposal on debt sustainability from the creditors," Tusk said in a speech in Washington.
The German Chancellor Angela Merkel ruled out a simple 'haircut', or slashing, of the debt total on Thursday. On a visit to Bosnia, Merkel said Germany had already dealt with the issue of Greece's debt sustainability in 2012. “I have said that a classic haircut is out of the question for me and that hasn’t changed between yesterday and today," she said, according to Reuters.
Getty: European Council President Donald Tusk added to US pressure to offer debt relief to Greece on Thursday.© Getty European Council President Donald Tusk added to US pressure to offer debt relief to Greece on Thursday.
Pressure is nonetheless mounting for some kind of debt restructuring. Tusk's admission came after comments from officials at two Washington-based institutions on Wednesday pushing for Germany to change its terms.
Realistic proposal from Athens needs to be matched by realistic proposal from creditors on debt sustainability to create win-win situation
— Donald Tusk (@eucopresident) July 9, 2015
een pessimist is een optimist met veel ervaring.
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Mart Hoogedoorn
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Re: Griekenland
Duitsland heeft nooit de milliarden oorlog schuld betaald aan de grieken.Die kunnen nu dus hun ''GOOD WILL'' tonen om dit alsnog te doen....maar daar hoor je ze nooit over.
''Recht zo ie gaat''Mart.....Een beetje zigzaggen mag ook